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CNN
Oct 13, 2012 8:00am PDT
advantage over president barack obama in both states. in florida, romney is at 49%, obama at 46. and romney's advantage in new hampshire is four points, 50-46%. ohio is one of the key swing states for both romney and obama. both have spent a whole lot of time there talking with voters. here's cnn's political editor paul steinhauser. >> good morning, randi. it's all about the buckeye state today. >> we need your help. we've got to win ohio. you've got to get your friends to help us win ohio. >> reporter: that's why mitt romney is spending his second straight day in ohio, where 18 electoral votes are up for grabs. mr. obama won the state four years ago. now ohio is one of the states romney really needs to turn red again in order to make it to the white house. the republican presidential nominee holds two rallies in the state today and his running mate paul ryan also campaigns separately in the buckeye state. president obama was in ohio a few days ago. next week, bruce springsteen will team up with former president clinton to stump for obama in ohio. the race for the state is very close right
ABC
Oct 14, 2012 9:00am PDT
obama and mitt romney. both men in intense training for tuesday's second debate. and with just 23 days left before the election, the stakes could not be higher. many believe the president needs a knockout to regain momentum. it's your voice your vote. here's abc news reporter david curly with the details. >> the stage is being set in new york. the ring if you will. it's the next debate round. >> i think the stakes are enormous particularly for the president. >> round one went to romney. the second round obama got back in the fight withwide. now with round three just days away, this morning the candidates are in their corners. mitt romney in boston. the president in williamsburg, virginia, taking three days off the campaign trail, not for golf, but debate practice. that's because, after his first debate, the president watched the polls tighten in key battleground states with romney moving ahead in virginia in one poll. team obama tells us the president will go after romney on his tax cut plans, and his ideas for winding down the war in afghanistan. but in tuesday's debate, it will be au
FOX News
Oct 9, 2012 1:00am PDT
49, romney 47. colorado, obama 49, romney 48. both are dead heats within the margin of error. joining us from washington, democratic strategist marge mcclinton in for juan williams and mary katherine ham. the pugh number, 49-45 surprised me, mary katherine. same with you? >> i was a little surprised at how far it moved. i'm not surprised it's moving in mitt romney's favor. i mean, this was 70 million people watching and the guy who showed up, mitt romney showed up to do that job that night was the best he had ever looked and certainly obama, the worst he ever looked on a stage with someone else, i would say when we have seen him in the situations before. people tuned in those 70 million people thinking they were going to be a colts-packers fight, but they were surprised. i think the amount of that surprise worked in romney's favor. i will point out that the pugh survey is probably a little bit more republican than the electorate will end up being, which is something we've had a lot of discussions about. but i do think some of these number should be frightening to them of we've got 49-
FOX Business
Oct 8, 2012 1:00pm EDT
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NBC
Oct 13, 2012 11:00pm EDT
the day out on the campaign trail. darcy spencer is following both campaigns tonight. >> today mitt romney still basking in the glow of his post-debate bump. and the president is reminding voters of the bailout of the auto industry, and it paid off. it's a weekend of debate preparation for president barack obama. he boarded air force one heading to williamsburg where he'll get ready for the town hall-style debate taking place tuesday. before leaving washington he reminded voters of his administration's rescue of the auto industry. >> but we refused to throw in the towel and do nothing. we refused to let detroit go bankrupt. i bet on american workers and american injean newty and three years later that bet is paying off in a big way. >> reporter: republican contender mitt romney is in ohio first preparing for the debate, then campaigning. he says there's been a crescendo of enthusiasm for his campaign and hammered away at the president's record. >> the income of the median family in america has gone down by $4,300 per family. in times like this, what is he talking about? saving big bird. >>
CW
Oct 12, 2012 9:00pm CDT
is four more weeks all right? we are getting ready for a change. both romney and president barack obama now have to get ready for debate no. 2 that happens this coming tuesday in new york it will take the form of a town hall meeting citizens in the audience will ask questions of the candidates on both foreign and domestic issues. 14 year-old was shot in head and neck putshe was targeted for writing a blogger about the brutal taliban regime in pakistan authorities have identified the two men but they are still searching for them they also rounded up about 70 people and took them into custody in the meantime she is on a conscious and on a ventilator but her blood pressure and heart beat our normal doctors say the next 48 hours are critical united states is poised to hit back aggressively leon panetta of warning about cyber threat saying it could be as destructive as a terror attack in 911 several security experts see bigger prince but panetta didn't put blame on the country he did say that i ran along with russia and china has advanced cyber capabilities he also said that intruders have i
NBC
Oct 13, 2012 6:00am EDT
in the past. >>> now to decision 2012. president obama and mitt romney are both hitting battleground states this weekend. the president will head to williamsburg, virginia today for debate camp. he is expected to stay there until tuesday where he'll then travel to new york for his second debate against romney at hofstra university. romney was also in virginia yesterday before heading to ohio. he'll travel through the buckeye state today making several campaign stops. >>> mitt romney's comments about cutting funding for public broadcasting are once again in the spotlight. two men are working on a million muppet march on the national mall. the organizers are hoping for a rally on the mall on november 3rd the saturday before the election. it's the -- in the first presidential debate romney said he would cut funding to pbs even though he loves big bird. that sparked an outpouring of support in favor of big bird. the men hope to have skits and musical performances featuring muppets during the rally. it will be a rocking good time in ohio next week as the boss will meet up with a former boss. for
ABC
Oct 9, 2012 1:40am PDT
. >> reporter: with president obama and mitt romney both in ohio today, the focus is likely to shift back to the economy. rob and paula, back to you. >> thanks a lot, karen. >>> this thursday, it's the candidates for vice president who will meet face to face, and our own martha raddatz will moderate that debate. abc, of course, will carry it live. it all kicks off at 9:00 p.m. eastern time. they say bind could be feeling the pressure. the president did so poorly. now pressure on joe's shoulders to come out there and kind of maybe put -- you know, spark a fire that the president could not. also interesting, came out yesterday from our pollster at "the washington post" is that the composition of the polls has changed a little bit. that can explain some of the shift in the numbers. both in the gallup and pew poll, self-identified democrats, that number was higher in the predebate polls. self-identified republicans were up in the post-debate polls. so the wind has definitely been at romney's back, that's for sure, but the composition changed and changed numbers as well. and that has maybe cha
ABC
Oct 7, 2012 8:00am PDT
think now that barack obama has had the opportunity to meet both mitt romneys, i don't doubt that he'll make some adjustments. i know he's looking forward to the next debate. >> robert gibbs, thanks very much for your time this morning. >> george, thanks for having me. >> let's hear from the romney campaign. ed gillespie joining us this important. ed, thanks for getting up this morning. you heard robert right there, masterful, theatrical, fundamentally dishonest. i guess his basic point now about governor romney on his tax plan is either that he's not telling the truth about the scale of the tax plan or abandoning his economic theory. which one is it? >> well, the problem they have is that the debate's performance on wednesday evening was not a matter of style, it was a matter of substance, and governor romney laid out a plan for turning this economy around, getting things moving again. he had a fact-based critique of president obama's failed policies that the president was unable to respond to, and today and since then, the obama campaign, they remind me a little bit of a 7-year-old
ABC
Oct 12, 2012 4:30am PDT
. >> reporter: with the race still tight both president obama and mitt romney watched closely. >> the president: i thought joe biden was terrific. i could not be prouder of him. >> reporter: they even shared a few laughs with >> i think the vice president knows that sometimes the words don't come out of your mouth the right way. [ laughing ] >> but i always say what i mean. >> reporter: that got a lot of laughs. the next big debate is next tuesday when president obama and mitt romney go head-to-head for their second debate that will take place in new york. brandi hitt, abc7 news. >>> that second debate next week is at hofstra in new york in a town hall meeting format, abc 7 will carry it live tuesday night starting at 6 p.m.. >>> a's fans are thanking their team for a fantastic season, one that halls come to an end but not for lack of trying. the team could not manage one more win to advance in the playoffs. the tigers dominated the a's last night in the final game of their series shutting them out 6-0. fans say it was a great ride and in losing gave their team a standing ovation. >> on the oth
CNN
Oct 12, 2012 1:00pm PDT
in the debate with mitt romney, they're both willing to say and do anything to become president and vice president. and they're a little fast and loose with the facts. that's a lesson we've learned. we've been holding their feet to the fire over the last ten days. and we're going to continue to do that. the president included. >> the president says he was a little too polite last time. maybe he'll be less polite this time. here's another little exchange that the vice president had with paul ryan. i'm going to play some of these clips. >> 7.4 million seniors are projected to lose the current medicare advantage coverage they have, that's a $3,200 benefit cut -- >> more people -- >> these are from your own actuaries. >> more people signed up for medicare advantage after the change. >> it's a plan i put together with a prominent democratic senator from oregon -- >> there's not one democrat that endorses it. not one democrat who signed the plan -- >> mr. vice president i know you're under a lot of duress to make up for lost ground, but i think we would be better serv
CNN
Oct 12, 2012 8:00am PDT
to fix the auto industry, but mitt romney did want to fix the auto industry. >> both of the sides had views about a managed bankruptcy, but don't believe the had headline that was attributed to mitt romney. >> it ultimately worked, by the way. >> you can make a fair argument, without question. >> get some sleep tonight. for those of you who missed it and you did get your sleep last night you'll get to watch the debate because we'll replay it. the entire vice presidential debate starts at 9:00 a.m. on the pacific coast today. don't miss it. so much... i told her it was homemade. everyone tells a little white lie now and then. but now she wants my recipe [ clears his throat ] [ softly ] she's right behind me isn't she? [ male announcer ] progresso. you gotta taste this soup. but i still have a runny nose. [ male announcer ] dayquil doesn't treat that. huh? [ male announcer ] alka-seltzer plus rushes relief to all your worst cold symptoms, plus it relieves your runny nose. [ sighs ] thank you! [ male announcer ] you're welcome. that's the cold truth! [ male announcer ] you're welcome.
MSNBC
Oct 8, 2012 2:00pm PDT
have serious problems with what mitt romney did and i think both of them would say he just doesn't get it. he doesn't understand the stewardship responsibilities of the president of the nights. his speech, if you think about it, was a speech designed for the 1950s when america was six times larger than the next biggest economy, could do all things in all places. he attributed george marshall in this speech, who was a great man in my view, it was interesting he spent so much time on israel in his speech today but it was george marshall who was -- >> i think he's appealing to the evangelicals on that front. i think it's pure politics. >> what's interesting about the speech is there's a lot of talk about strength and resolve, but there's really nothing showing us what he would do. he kind of implies we'll go to war and we'll do all these things, but he's kind of a chicken hawk in his actual policies, too. what are we going to do about iran? we'll get tough with sanctions. that's what obama is doing. what are we going to do is syria? we're going it try to find those people who we can help
MSNBC
Oct 8, 2012 4:00pm PDT
on issues both domestically as well as our international partners around the world. i mean, the speech today by mitt romney about foreign policy was a joke. it has been already panned by so many who actually know what they're talking about. this is the same guy who couldn't even go to the olympics in london and do that right insulting our good friends and our great partner in the uk. so let's talk about the substance of what it takes to run the united states of america, the most powerful country in the world, and not about, you know, style points at a debate. this is a real job here, and you have to be focused and know what in the world you're doing. >> so your criticizing us for criticizing the campaign debate? okay. let's move on. >> i think the american public wants to hear about the candidates. >> i agree with your main point. let's go back, the obama campaign released this ad over the weekend going after romney's plan on taxes. let's watch the campaign ad that was put out. >> this was dishonest. >> i'm not in favor of a $5 trillion tax cut. >> romney is being dishonest here, too. >> acc
CBS
Oct 12, 2012 6:00am PDT
with 49% for ryan. not surprisingly, both sides claimed victory. mitt romney's campaign said biden seemed off balance and strange. the president's team said the debate exposed the risks of electing a romney/ryan ticket. the next presidential debate is tuesday. >>> while democrats are pleased with vice president biden's performance it's unclear whether his aggressive style was offensive or convincing to the independents who will hold the margin of victory in the presidential election. >> randall, let's talk more. it was obviously interesting to watch. what were the strong and weak points of the candidates? >> reporter: well, certainly vice president biden had to make sure that everyone knew that democrats would fight. i mean, remember that president obama himself said that he was too polite. no one could say that about biden as last night's showdown. ryan had to make sure he didn't lose any ground. this is his first venue for a national audience sitting opposite one of the most powerful democrats in the nation. and he held his own even as mitt romney is beginning to show some improvement i
CBS
Oct 12, 2012 5:00am PDT
compared with 49% for ryan. not surprisingly, both sides claimed victory. mitt romney's campaign said biden seemed off balance and strange. the president's team said the debate exposed the risks of electing a romney/ryan ticket. the next presidential debate is tuesday. randall pinkston, cbs news, danville, kentucky. and we can expect those poll results to change in the coming days as the samples are increased and the polling organizations dig deeper on the impact of these first and only vice-presidential debates. reporting live in danville, kentucky, i'm randall pinkston, back to you. >> randall, it's certainly interesting to watch a lot more sparks in this debate than the presidential debate. what were considered the strong and weak points of the candidate? >> well, after president obama's performance last week democrats have to show they are willing to fight and also defend the president's record. biden certainly did that. for mitt ryan, he had to stand up there with one of the most famous most powerful democrats in the nation his first time out on that kind of stage and he held his own
NBC
Oct 10, 2012 11:00am PDT
to become a doctor. >> right now let's get to decision 2012. both presidential candidates doing serious battle in a key battleground state. today mitt romney continues his week long visit there to ohio. no rp,-c won the white house without carrying the buckeye state. earlier president obama wrapped up his 17th rally there. that's the most of any other state. with all the new polls out showing a much tighter race, both candidates definitely know, it's on. and they have to trade serious shots. this one in particular over the tax plan. it's true it's not going to have the deficit. that leaves one option. that's asking middle class families to foot the bill. >> the president's charge of a $5 trillion tax cut is inaccurate and wrong. meanwhile, the vice presidential debate is scheduled for tomorrow. >>> 2,000 jobs are up for graps today in the south gay. 50 employers were there this event is free and ones until 1:00 this afternoon. good morning. it was an idea that was first announced last mont if you ever wonder what goes on at twitter, you can this friday. you have to register first. you s
ABC
Oct 9, 2012 7:00am PDT
points in mid-september. coming off his big debate win. and both president obama and mitt romney head to the crucial battleground state of ohio today. >>> also, more fallout from the nasty wedding brawl, all caught on tape. one of the guests is now charged. and new pictures of the bride just moments after the mayhem. look at that. >>> and we also are hearing the death threats with "dancing with the stars." big emotion for bristol palin, under so much strain right now. and mysterious white powder sent to her. we're going inside that story. >> that's strange. >>> let's get right to jerry sandusky. the former penn state coach is speaking out before his sentencing this morning. convicted on 45 counts of sexual abuse. sandusky still insists he's innocent. abc's jim avila has been covering this story from the start. he's outside the pennsylvania courtroom, where sandusky will appear later today. good morning, jim. >> reporter: good morning, george. we think we know what jerry sandusky will say from his attorneys and also his public statement. now, abc news obtained a portion of what one of
CNN
Oct 11, 2012 6:00am PDT
position is very consistent. >> ana, you heard from both of them. romney has moved to the center, appears to have moved from the center. could it backfire both with his base and perhaps undecideds who don't think he holds sincere beliefs? and even with women, aafter hearing that comment from the des moines register and then saying something that appears to be different. could that change that? >> don, you know i haven't been mitt romney's biggest defender or biggest fan but i don't really see a great inconsistency in what he said and what he has said. he said he won't be pursuing legislation. i'm glad to hear that. frank frankly the difference between taking executive action or pursuing legislation is a big one. it takes a lot of political capital to get legislation through. i don't think you will get any sort of abortion rights or abortionless legislation through a democrat senate or very close held senate. >> can you more be more specific about why you think that it's not a flip flop? why don't you think this is a big deal? >> because i -- you know, he's saying he's not going to pursue
ABC
Oct 13, 2012 4:00am PDT
, good morning, sir. >> reporter: good morning, dan. as of this morning, mitt romney has the mighty mo going into next week's debate. as both candidates are battling for the critical, undecided voters. >> governor mitt romney. >> reporter: back on the trail for the candidates. >> didn't joe do great last night? >> reporter: after no knockout blow in the vice presidential debate. but the romney/ryan team sees an opening. not on the economy, which is improving. but rather, the attack on the u.s. consulate in libya, which resulted in the death of the ambassador and three other americans. >> he is doubling down on denial. when the vice president of the united states directly contradicts the testimony, sworn testimony of state department officials, american citizens have a right to know just what's going on. >> reporter: romney was referring to the debate. one of the first questions from abc's martha raddatz. asking joe biden why there wasn't more security in benghazi, libya. >> we weren't told they wanted more security. we did not know they wanted more security. >> reporter: who is the we
CNN
Oct 12, 2012 6:00am PDT
partisan lines. >> they definitely do. in many ways i agree with your assessment. the thing that both romney and joe biden did was that they controlled the tone and tenor of the conversation. >> right. >> that both were able to decide what the conversation would be about and when they would assert it. >> as a director of debate isn't that what you teach your students to do. absolutely. that's what i am interested in. i am interested in my students understanding that you have to connect with the audience and a major component of connecting with the audience is figuring out what they want and telling them here's what i have to offer. >> so the interruption part that everyone is talking about, isn't it part of it, too, if the moderator is not stopping, it's up to the moderator to facilitate it, right? not to sort of facilitate it, but isn't part of it throwing your opponent off? >> i think it is part of throwing your opponent off and it is a tactic that joe biden can use and it may not have been one afforded to paul ryan in this instance. that if paul ryan interrupted 80 times he would h
CNN
Oct 13, 2012 11:00am PDT
, romney, 50%. obama, 46%. again, among likely voters. both of those polls obviously well within the sampling error. a statistical dead heat, but both of the polls showing romney having momentum in the states after the first debate. we have seen that across a few polls, so the arizona poll, interesting and definitely defies the trend we have seen in other polls in other states. >> florida, remarkable numbers there. arizona, what about the rest of the country? >> the rest of the country, i mean, again, we have seen some tightening, some movement towards romney. you know, this poll position can be a little trucky. some polls show wider margins, different spreads than others, but we have definitely seen overall, predominantly, a momentum toward mitt romney after the first debate performance which underscores president obama going into the second debate, he has to do a lot better. he admitted he didn't do as well as he hoped to do. >> we'll see what happens on tuesday. the pressure is on. shannon travis, appreciate that. >>> lots of interesting things going on surrounding this race t
NBC
Oct 10, 2012 4:30am PDT
on to the decision 2012. both presidential candidates are fighting hard over a key battleground state. today, gop candidate mitt romney continues his week-long visit in eye. no republican has ever won the white house without carrying the buckeye state. president obama had earlier wrapped up his 17th rally there. the most of any other state. with new polls showing a much tighter race, both candidates have been trading shots over a proposed tax plan. >> that leaves only one option. that's asking middle class families to foot the bill. >> the president's charge of a $5 trillion tax cut is obviously inaccurate and wrong. >> meantime, vice president joe biden and republican candidate paul ryan getting ready for their debate. that's set for tomorrow. >> right now, time for a check on the markets. for that, let's turn it over to courtney reagan. she is live at cnbc world headquarters. good morning. >> hi, good morning. futures are a little lower right now. the imf cut its global economic forecast and investors braced for earnings. better than expected results last night but alcoa did cut demand forecast
CBS
Oct 12, 2012 7:00am PDT
debate both men under pressure governor romney building momentum after the first presidential dough bait. >> 50% said biden won, 31% said ryan won and 19% called it a tie. also in that poll 55% said biden is someone they can relate to. 21 points higher than before the debate. ryan's relatability went up 17 points to 48% and 85% said biden is knowledgeable about the issues and 75% said the same thing about paul ryan. jan crawford is at the debate site in danville, kentucky. jan, good morning. >> good morning, norah. good morning charlie. good morning to those of you in the west. the president tried to explain that lackluster performance at the debate of being too polite. the vice president surely can't say that about his performance last night. he came out of the block, never stopped. to the point republicans are now saying he interrupted paul ryan 82 times. >> with all due respect, that's a bunch of mularkey. >> the vice president appeared to take the president's advice. joe just needs to be joe. >> this is a bunch of stuff. look, here is the deal. >> biden's gi
CBS
Oct 12, 2012 5:00pm PDT
to build on any post debate momentum. cbs reporter danielle nottingham shows us how both sides are claiming victory. >> reporter: vice president joe biden continues to play offense in wisconsin friday. >> it's time romney and ryan and the republican congress take a pledge to the middle class people saying we're going to level the playing field. >> reporter: a day after a spirited vice-presidential debate. >> with all due respect that's a bunch malarkey. >> watch out, middle class, the tax bill is coming to you. >> reporter: both candidates headed back to the campaign trail. >> i feel great. >> reporter: paul ryan stopped for breakfast with his family before teaming up with mitt romney in ohio. >> there was one person on the stage with thoughtfulness who was respectful -- >> yeah! >> -- who was steady and poised. >> yeah! >> reporter: the obama campaign said the vice president walked away with the win. but friday, the white house had to defend his answer about the deadly attack in benghazi, libya. >> we weren't told they want more security. >> reporter: former security officials testified
MSNBC
Oct 8, 2012 3:00am PDT
. mitt romney and barack obama both supported, in the heat, in the flash of the financial crisis stepping in and backstopping the banks. what mitt romney took issue are are certain provisions within dodd-frank that actually institutionalized too big to fail. they actually declare certainly financial institutions as systemically important financial institutions, meaning if they get into trouble again, the taxpayers are on the hook. that's the financial plan that barack obama supports, and that's the one that mitt romney took issue to. and when romney said that to him on the stage, how does this help our economy that the federal government now has this implicit guarantee to support the banks? the president had no answer. he said mitt romney just wants to let wall street run wild. that's not what he said. he supports responsible regulation. again, the president didn't have a response. >> so we have vice presidential debate coming up. our good friend, paul ryan, is going to be debating against our other good friend, joe biden. >> joe biden is the best. >> we're just saying what a great americ
MSNBC
Oct 10, 2012 3:00am PDT
of romney in iowa and ohio in particular. they've got to rest one, probably both of those states away from barack obama. >> for all the swing states and those of you don't wake up with a map staring at you like chuck todd and myself, this is assuming mitt romney wins, florida, north carolina, virginia, colorado and nevada. a lot of swing states. he has to win two out of three out of ohio, wisconsin, iowa. i don't think he's going to win wisconsin. >> he has to win one of them. if he swept all those others he just had to win one. >> romney would? >> yes. >> if romney wins ohio, he's still -- >> he gets there. or he win iowa. he just has to win one of these midwestern states. >> which one is the best target for him? >> i think it's -- organizationally, i would say it's ohio. i don't know. i think both ohio and iowa are hard. >> mike i agree with you. i'm thinking iowa. >> i think there are huge organizational holes that romney dug for himself in both of those states. >> chuck, it's donny. you talked a lot and i found this fascinating about kind of enthusiasm gap as far as that energizing. i
CBS
Oct 11, 2012 7:00am PDT
the main, underlying story lines for both candidates. so, for joe biden, does he reinforce this idea that the white house is kind of tired and out of ideas? that's what the romney campaign has been pushing. for ryan, does he underline this idea that the ticket is basically hiding their true beliefs and their true numbers? if either one of those does that, then it carries on the story line. otherwise, it's just sort of fodder for a couple of days, but it just essentially disappears. >> john, there's a generation gap between the vice president and the congressman. how do you think that will affect the tone of the debate, if at all? >> reporter: well, it will be an interesting thing to watch. you can imagine it affecting the tone in terms of remember when geraldine ferraro debated george bush, there was a gender gap in that case, and she snapped back at him when he seemed to be patronizing on the question of foreign policy. there could be a situation here where joe biden could look sort of a little, you know, look, sunny, and that would end up being kind of a gaffe. but i think other th
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